David Craig talks to waller Steve Allen
Steve Allen was born in Kendal in 1960 and lives at Tebay in
Cumbria. He has won the Grand Prix of the GB Dry Stone Walling
Association five times, and became a Master Craftsman in 1990.
I interviewed Steve in January during a break from his work
rebuilding a wall between the road and a field on the A6 a mile
north of Penrith.
The craft of drystone walling
Sheepfolds is a recipient of the Dry Stone Walling Association’s
prestigious Pinnacle Award – given only to the most outstanding
dry stone walling projects in recognition of the very best standards
of craftsmanship, innovative design and inspirational use of
stone.
DSWA Office, Westmorland County Showground, Lane Farm, Crooklands,
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DC: How did you come to start
working with Andy Goldsworthy?
SA: Joe Smith recommended me originally. I built the fold at
Mungrisdale with Joe. I thought hard about going to New York
[to work on Goldsworthy's wall at the Storm King Art Centre].
It was a jump into the unknown. Most of us start from agricultural
backgrounds I was repairing walls on my father's farm.
I was on agricultural wages at first, so I moved onto bigger
jobs.
DC: Does Andy consult you about
the walls you work on?
SA: He makes the line of the wall. We're consulted on height,
and on throughs and tops. I don't want to decide. We're wallers,
not artists.
DC: What do you think of the results so far?
SA: I like all his wall ideas. Well, there are some I dont
know about
those 'rain shadows' did he really lie
in Central Park for three hours? I'd be happy to work on these
projects of his indefinitely. I couldn't stand repairing farm
walls forever.
DC: Has the Church Brough fold
and sculpture that you worked on recently worked out well?
SA: It's a nice shape. I could do it better but then
it wouldn't be a Goldsworthy cone. Some of the stones don't
butt together, we could have joined them better. It's all about
pinning stones together. Strength, speed and style. Some do
a yard a year that's no good. Some do ten yards a day
it's fallen down in a couple of weeks. A good waller
can build four yards, a bad one will build eight.
DC: Have you a favourite stone?
SA: There's all different sorts of stone near Tebay slate,
limestone, sandstone. I liked sandstone better at first, because
it was easier. It's no good demanding a stone.
DC: Do you think people understand
this project? Do they like it?
SA: I've not heard many comments about 'waste of public money'.
It would be boring if we couldn't afford extras.